Ya Gotta Have Faith. Or Do Ya? 5/25 '15
Here are some questions for you good people:
Do athiests have a "belief?" Or is atheism a lack of belief? Is it a leap of faith to believe there are no gods, or are athiests standing firmly on the ground by disbelieving in all gods?
In a few other words: is athiesm science, religion, philosophy, or a combination thereof? And - this one's for those who consider themselves atheists - does it matter? Is the difference between "I believe there are no gods" and "I disbelieve in all gods" important?
I have an opinion, but I'm much more interested in yours. Besides, who the hell am I to say? I think Ewoks are awesome and Tyler, the Creator is the best thing to happen to music since Smear joined the Foos for good. So maybe I'm not the best one to judge.
Yep. This guy.
So there you have it! Fire away. You're welcome to bring your own belief system into the discussion, but it isn't necessary. Politeness and respect is, though, but y'all knew that already.
Thanks! And if I accidentally earwormed you with George Michael, well...you're welcome.
So, even if I don't subscribe to a literal interpretation of the writings of and about Gautama Buddha, I still don't mind calling myself a Buddhist, as it gives others an easy shorthand understanding of my behaviour patterns and my regard for other beings.
I took this stance partly in response to people who thought atheism was "wimpy," but mainly because I was drawing a distinction between a view held on the basis of the available evidence (which, to my mind, was essentially nil either way) and a view held because you'd like things to be that way ("I don't like the idea of God, or the people who believe in God"). The former can pretend to being objective, the latter is on no firmer ground than fundamentalism.
Later I read some of Stephen Hawking's pop-science stuff and decided that the evidence suggested an omnipotent creator is unnecessary to get us to where we are; the weak anthropic principle, and the possibility of many universes, are sufficient explanation. So I became an atheist, but not an especially vehement one, because it's tricky to rule out the possibility that something chose the initial conditions. Occam's Razor isn't an iron-clad guarantee.
One more thought that helped me put my views in perspective: I realized that the fear of damnation wasn't much of a motivation for me. That is, even if pascal's wager wasn't fundamentally flawed to begin with (*), it is cowardly not to live in accordance with your own ethical beliefs. I didn't want to obey some of the more reprehensible bits of Leviticus or punish others who did not do so, even if it meant I'd be in trouble down the road. And a God who wouldn't expect me to was at least as likely to exist anyway.
That is still essentially where I sit. I agree it's a very different animal from the viewpoint of an atheist who speaks of nothing but how Catholic he isn't.
But can we draw any useful conclusions from this about the average atheist? I don't know; has anyone surveyed self-identified atheists to find out if their viewpoint is more like mine, or more like that of Shelle's ex?
(*) Because a God who demands the opposite of all the rules you've been following "just in case" is equally probable.
I neither believe nor disbelieve nor consider it an open question. I'm not interested enough in the problem to want to bother.